Comments on: A Newbie’s Guide to Startup Compensation (or “Stock Options will Make Me Rich!”) https://tonywright.com/2008/08/29/a-newbies-guide-to-startup-compensation-or-stock-options-will-make-me-rich/ Tue, 23 Jan 2018 03:22:52 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Amit C https://tonywright.com/2008/08/29/a-newbies-guide-to-startup-compensation-or-stock-options-will-make-me-rich/#comment-326 Sat, 07 Mar 2009 06:32:18 +0000 http://www.tonywright.com/2008/a-newbies-guide-to-startup-compensation-or-stock-options-will-make-me-rich/#comment-326 Hello Tony,

Very useful rightup and specially thanks for the market figures link to venture hacks.
About your .5% example, the math really helped put the amounts in perspective. Does the following variation make sense.
One point, for the $50M exit, won't there be a different breakup for preferred and common, while the .5% is for common. So, in effect, it would be 0.25% or less. Then there are common variations like removing invested money before, different multiple for each category and so forth. So, now it is down to maybe 12%. That is $15k return with risk for $10k per year.

Amit

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By: Amit C https://tonywright.com/2008/08/29/a-newbies-guide-to-startup-compensation-or-stock-options-will-make-me-rich/#comment-325 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:32:18 +0000 http://www.tonywright.com/2008/a-newbies-guide-to-startup-compensation-or-stock-options-will-make-me-rich/#comment-325 Hello Tony,

Very useful rightup and specially thanks for the market figures link to venture hacks.
About your .5% example, the math really helped put the amounts in perspective. Does the following variation make sense.
One point, for the $50M exit, won't there be a different breakup for preferred and common, while the .5% is for common. So, in effect, it would be 0.25% or less. Then there are common variations like removing invested money before, different multiple for each category and so forth. So, now it is down to maybe 12%. That is $15k return with risk for $10k per year.

Amit

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By: istgah https://tonywright.com/2008/08/29/a-newbies-guide-to-startup-compensation-or-stock-options-will-make-me-rich/#comment-324 Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:00:57 +0000 http://www.tonywright.com/2008/a-newbies-guide-to-startup-compensation-or-stock-options-will-make-me-rich/#comment-324 very nice and interesting thankx!

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By: DShen https://tonywright.com/2008/08/29/a-newbies-guide-to-startup-compensation-or-stock-options-will-make-me-rich/#comment-323 Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:17:03 +0000 http://www.tonywright.com/2008/a-newbies-guide-to-startup-compensation-or-stock-options-will-make-me-rich/#comment-323 love the cost benefit analysis! at last a clear presentation!

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By: Dezmon Landers https://tonywright.com/2008/08/29/a-newbies-guide-to-startup-compensation-or-stock-options-will-make-me-rich/#comment-322 Sun, 31 Aug 2008 02:31:59 +0000 http://www.tonywright.com/2008/a-newbies-guide-to-startup-compensation-or-stock-options-will-make-me-rich/#comment-322 Tony,

This is a great article on how to look at startup compensation from both sides. I particularly like the section entitled “Your buying more than just a high risk investment”. It really helps entrepreneurs formulate an incentive argument that doesn't necessarily cost us much in terms of equity and cash.

Great job and keep it coming!

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By: Cyberfox https://tonywright.com/2008/08/29/a-newbies-guide-to-startup-compensation-or-stock-options-will-make-me-rich/#comment-319 Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:31:09 +0000 http://www.tonywright.com/2008/a-newbies-guide-to-startup-compensation-or-stock-options-will-make-me-rich/#comment-319 Greetings,
Hey back…

You're right, in a lot of ways, that the current boomlet is going to be a little lower key, but one of the things I notice from those lists is that the companies who actually have a product/service they sell (as opposed to media outlets, where they only make money by advertising) are consistently going for more. 'Profitable' isn't a dirty word anymore. 🙂

As for the IPO's not having the run-up, I completely ignored the 'opened at $20, jumped to $200' type of IPO. Opening at $12, and jumping to $20 is _awesome_, and is what made me a paper millionaire back in 1992. (Being profitable for 2 years before going public, and an obscene profit margin helped.)

As for your article, you also should note the differences between Non-Qualified options and Incentive Stock Options, as they have very different tax implications.

— Morgan

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By: Bob Walsh https://tonywright.com/2008/08/29/a-newbies-guide-to-startup-compensation-or-stock-options-will-make-me-rich/#comment-321 Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:08:00 +0000 http://www.tonywright.com/2008/a-newbies-guide-to-startup-compensation-or-stock-options-will-make-me-rich/#comment-321 Excellent post Tony – thank you!

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By: Adam https://tonywright.com/2008/08/29/a-newbies-guide-to-startup-compensation-or-stock-options-will-make-me-rich/#comment-320 Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:58:06 +0000 http://www.tonywright.com/2008/a-newbies-guide-to-startup-compensation-or-stock-options-will-make-me-rich/#comment-320 @Danielle, some companies won't tell you the percentage of the company that your options represent but they should be willing to tell you how many shares are outstanding. This will allow you to calculate for yourself the percentage of the company you are being optioned. Presumably it's too easy for legal issues to arise when you tell an employee that they are getting a certain percentage of the company and that number doesn't turn out to be exactly right – a number of options is exact.

In reality you want to know the total number of fully diluted shares outstanding, with preferred converted to common. Of course it would be nice to understand all of the terms of the everyone's employment, investment agreements, liquidation preferences, participation, etc. to really understand how the picture would look in an exit. Most of these details are going to be closely held, but some will freely share them.

If the company you're considering working for doesn't even have the decency to give you a rough idea of what percentage of the company they are offering you, I would strongly urge looking elsewhere. This is a pretty strong indication that management has little respect for its employees and is not going to be forthright in the future. How are you even supposed to evaluate such an offer? A million-option grant looks pretty good until you find out there are a trillion outstanding.

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By: webwright https://tonywright.com/2008/08/29/a-newbies-guide-to-startup-compensation-or-stock-options-will-make-me-rich/#comment-315 Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:54:59 +0000 http://www.tonywright.com/2008/a-newbies-guide-to-startup-compensation-or-stock-options-will-make-me-rich/#comment-315 As Morgan said (hey Morgan!), you definitely need to know the outstanding shares to know percentage. If you don't, it's really meaningless. 1,000 shares is a lot if there are 2,000 shares outstanding. Not so much if there are 10,000,000.

Subsequent rounds will dilute your position, but ideally, the cash influx will make your shares more valuable. So if you owned 50% of a $1,000,000 company and then took another million in funding, you'd then own 25% of a 2,000,000 company. In theory (and on paper) than has the same value– the idea is that additional funding can be leveraged to make the company more valuable. In practice, that money is sometimes used to “stay alive” rather than move the ball, so it leaves you with less equity.

[edit: It important to note that all sorts of crazy stuff can happen on subsequent funding rounds– they can functionally do stuff to dramatically change the position of people who've left the company– to incentivize the folks who are still slogging away]

At Jobster, they were pretty open book with the # of outstanding shares (we are at RescueTime as well). I would insist on knowing the # of outstanding shares– if they wouldn't share that #, I'd focus entirely on the salary.

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By: webwright https://tonywright.com/2008/08/29/a-newbies-guide-to-startup-compensation-or-stock-options-will-make-me-rich/#comment-318 Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:47:03 +0000 http://www.tonywright.com/2008/a-newbies-guide-to-startup-compensation-or-stock-options-will-make-me-rich/#comment-318 Hey Morgan– I agree that a million dollar payday is a possibility, but liquidity nowadays seems to be limited to M&A– generally smaller dollar amounts. The IPOs you see don't have the run-up that they used to have. Interesting to look at:

http://startup.partnerup.com/2008/01/02/2007-ac

That's a list of acquisitions in 2007.

http://searchstorage.techtarget.com/news/articl

Those are the top Tech IPOs in 2007 (a much shorter list of companies that had a long, hard, and expensive road).

I think the first boom minted quite a few more (paper?) millionaires than this one has (or will).

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